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Old 08-21-05, 03:51 PM
xmanpike xmanpike is offline
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Default KJ is a trap hand

***** Hand History for Game 2556011450 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 18, 13:54:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 36570 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: gouds777 ( $27.10 )
Seat 3: pokketjokers ( $53.05 )
Seat 5: soccer ( $33.85 )
Seat 9: bluffboy200 ( $31.75 )
Seat 10: benjoh49 ( $19.90 )
Seat 1: SylvainA ( $42.88 )
Seat 6: Quola ( $22.95 )
Seat 8: Ryan19jwu ( $17.60 )
Seat 4: slggrsrus ( $15 )
Seat 7: luckygames ( $24.75 )
SylvainA posts small blind [$0.10].
gouds777 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bluffboy200 [ Jc Kh ]
slggrsrus folds.
soccer folds.
Quola folds.
luckygames calls [$0.25].
Ryan19jwu calls [$0.25].
bluffboy200 calls [$0.25].
benjoh49 calls [$0.25].
SylvainA folds.
gouds777 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 7d, Js ]
gouds777 checks.
luckygames checks.
Ryan19jwu checks.
bluffboy200 bets [$1].
benjoh49 calls [$1].
gouds777 folds.
luckygames calls [$1].
Ryan19jwu folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
luckygames checks.
bluffboy200 bets [$1].
benjoh49 calls [$1].
luckygames folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
>You have options at Table 36788 Table!.
bluffboy200 bets [$2].
>You have options at Table 36954 Table!.
benjoh49 calls [$2].
bluffboy200 shows [ Jc, Kh ] a pair of jacks.
benjoh49 shows [ Ac, Jd ] a pair of jacks.
benjoh49 wins $9.85 from the main pot with a pair of jacks with ace kicker.

I'm stopping playing KJ unless its suited and I'm in position. What do you think about KJ? You think I'm too tight?
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Old 08-21-05, 04:34 PM
Arjonius Arjonius is offline
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It's even tougher when the opponent is acting like a calling station. They could be behind and chasing, or well and just letting you carry the betting. It helps if you have some kind of read, of course, but I think that over the long term, KJ is unlikely to be better than a marginally winning hand.
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Old 08-22-05, 06:27 AM
Slayre Slayre is offline
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There is nothing 'wrong' with the way you played that hand...

more often than not, that scenario will win you the pot....

have to be able to give the AJ kudos, and move on to the next hand...
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Old 08-22-05, 12:24 PM
ScottMc ScottMc is offline
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Only problem I see is that you were passive preflop with it. If you are going to be in the pot with this one make it a raise. With 2 callers ahead of you your hand could already be behind. If you make the raise to 3x BB you can put the remainder of the table on notice that you have a strong hand. If you get callers you can make the right read that you are behind and lay it down. Limping in like this and then letting him walk the dog on you gives you no room to make a move.
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Old 08-22-05, 01:25 PM
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You should be happy that you dont lose much on that hand.
To me there's nothing wrong with the hand you play.

It's not that bad when you ran into a bigger hand in late position.
Your opponent has trapping you on that hand.

I perfer you playing a strong hand like KQs QA AK 10s Js Qs Ks As
or suited connector 10-J and up
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Old 08-22-05, 05:52 PM
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In most poker strategy books and videos, KJ isn't even supposed to be a hand worth calling the big blind with, as it is a trap hand for beginner poker players.

However, I believe if the table is short-handed and there are not that many players in the hand, it can be one of the strongest hands.

Sure it can be a trap hand but the only hands that beat it are, KQ, KA, AQ, AJ, AA, QQ, KK, JJ, and KJ can beat some of those hands like JJ and QQ so it's a pretty decent hand sometimes...
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Old 07-24-06, 06:47 AM
dovla dovla is offline
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i really don't know.. i wanted the post the new thread about KJ and KQ
i really don't like those hands.. and i tried the different ways of playing them, and still now i don't know what to do when i get those two hands?

how do you play this hands in tourneys?!
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