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It is odd how even though many seem to think it is rigged that people such as fossilman and kidpoker play there. If it was rigged do you idiots think the pro's will play there? If you still think it is rigged why are you still playing there? I am sure you would have moved onto another program and if so I don't think anyone on pokerstars will care about the loss!!!!
Its not the cards your dealt
Its how you play them
I have played at pokerstars for quite a while and must admit sometimes it feels rigged. I have had some real bad times playing poker with them. When you get a pair of aces before come out 6 times and lose everytime that will make you scratch your head. Things like that just don't happen in real games. I wonder if they encourage new players to win so they keep entering tournaments. I know this for 3 days I got so many fours that if I had a dime for every 4 I got I would have made about 10 dollars. These things just don't happen in real live poker. Believe it are not there are averages in poker. The only thing that bothers me about Pokerstars it seem like the tables themselves pick and choice who will advance. Sometimes it just feels like you never had a chance. I watched a friend of mine go all in everytime for 27 straight hands before he was eliminated his chip stack was at $96,000 before he finally lost. Thats when he and I said hold on a minute. He couldn't lose for about 20 minutes he was beating hands that he should have lost to over and over again he got 10 river cards in a row from table to table. Things like that just don't happen in real poker. My best advice is to play with caution or you will feel like your geting scammed.
They're their sponsor, of course they would play there even if it's rigged. I doubt they even know it, they don't play enough to notice the rigged system. They're getting paid just for lending their name and to be on TV.. there's no honesty in Poker and certainly not for pro. It's all about the money.
If you play there enough and lose thousand of dollars, bad beat after bad beat. If you don't notice it, then you're a moron. I played on PartyPoker for years and even on worse day, I would get 2-3 bad beat, I get bad beat with regularity since I play at PS. The bad beat isn't just bad beat it's ridiculous. I would often get outdrawn by Quad on the flop, runner runner, or river flush and straight so many time. It's staggering.
Don't give your money to PS.
Last edited by Boinkys : 09-06-07 at 09:17 AM.
If you were a little more observant, you'd notice that these pros endorse PokerStars.NET, not .COM. Furthermore, PokerStars is only paying these pros to endorse them so that they get more publicity; people hear that these pros are playing on PokerStars and want to jump on the bandwagon. Anyway, I doubt that they actually play on these online sites. Why would they when they can probably find a live game at any hour?
.net and .com
The Pros endorse .net because sites cant advertize real money play in the US. PokerStars.net and .com are the same site. .net was only created so stars could advertize in the US. Thats why the pros endorse .net
oh yes, and BTW, if YOU were more observant, you would find that the pros DO play at stars, exclusively, as per their contracts. You can find them under the 'find a team pokerstars player' button, under requests in the lobby.
Yes, that was my point, but they are not the same site. It's not even the same software. Sure, it may be the same company, but there is a distinct difference in the two. The .NET program doesn't even offer money games.
Yikes, man. You honestly believe that they play on there regularly? All you get to see is a user name and nothing else. It could be literally anybody sitting behind that other computer screen.
By the way, do you have access to the terms of their contracts? If not, then I suggest you quit spewing excrement on this forum. You can't sit there and try to tell me or anybody else that these poker pros "DO play at stars, exclusively, as per their contracts" and pass that off as fact; there just simply isn't any proof. Hell, using your logic, I could say that Joe Hachem can be found living in an igloo on one of the poles, provide a picture of an igloo, a picture of Joe, and a picture of some figure standing in front of the igloo, and pass that off as fact. But, alas, that's as absurd as your ingenious deduction and there is, quite simply, no real proof.
As a side note, I suppose that it is possible for PokerStars to offer a chance to play against an actual pro via winning a satellite or something similar (I think I've seen these around), and then pay that pro to actually sit down and play against the satellite winner online. Regardless, the key word there is "pay". That's why these poker pros endorse poker sites in the first place -- money. That's why celebrities agree to appear in commercials -- money. Do you think John Madden is an avid user of "tough actin' Tinactin"? I should hope not.
According to the infinite wisdom of Doyle Brunson, "poker is a game of people." I'm sure most professional poker players agree with that statement. There is a vast difference between online poker and real life poker and the latter requires much more skill, even a touch of art. So, for those pros who play so well in live poker and with online poker lacking some of the most crucial components of the game, there really is no incentive for pros to play online.
I played for 4 years on free sites and got to the point where I was dominant. Then finally I went to PS with $100 and started where I left off else where by kicking butt.
I built a pretty nice bank roll instantly and then the weird stuff started happening. Obviously at first I thought it was the rare bad beat but then I noticed how often it would happen.
I went to the WSOP this year and met quite a few people who were talking about the site being rigged and on many different levels.
Some were talking about how the bad beats came more frequently after they withdrew profits, others spoke of how the high stakes game are less rigged than the small money tourneys because high stakes players would catch on and leave.
I have another "theory" about the site. I made the mistake of chatting about the site being rigged and noticed brutal beats coming my way in huge waves.
I'm not talking the occasional 6 outer than someone catches once every 100 tourneys I'm talking being ahead 80-20 10 times and losing 9 day after day, week after week.
I truly believe they can change outcome based on chat.
I used to live in DC and would chat on the site about Congress tracking play as well as some kids from harvard that built some tracking software that showed in small money tourney's a flush draw hit 37% of the time.
To counter my "theory" I shut up for a week and magically my luck turned around. I wasn't winning like I should have been but I was at least getting bad beats less often.
I had read on here that someone took a week off and went back. I just did this. I took a week off and went back and was running pretty well. Over the past two days I started chatting about the feds passing new laws to allow US Casino's into the biz which will destroy the overseas sites and suddenly I started running bad.
Today I played in 4 small dough tourneys and of all the hands I played I was only behind once in a big situation. I won only 23% of the hands and most of those 23% went down in my last tourney where my higher hand held up (which should happen almost all of the time)
Another thing that was mentioned here was how they set you up. I had the chip lead and then was dealt A/Ks. One guy raised 3x BB pre-flop and I called. The flop came off K/J/7 and I bet and he pushed all in.
How on Earth can you get away from top pair top kicker when you know he has a 93% chance of having a lower pair than I do?
I called and he had bullets and they held up.
I lose a third of my stack there.
Then soon after I get moved to another table where the chip leader sits and I get K/K and raise. He calls we see the flop which missed us both and was no harm to my K's.
I make a bet and he goes all in.
Think about that.
What on earth could the chip leader have that would push him all in against another big stack? especially since we were near the bubble.
I call and he has Q/10s which was mid pair and he had 1 of his suit on the board.
Obviously he catches runner runner flush to take me out.
Some will say that this is isolated bad beats but it's not at all.
I've played there a long time and when I get my chips in with Q/Q against 6/6 I truly feel I'm going to lose and that's not how a poker player should feel.
When people say that PS isn't rigged ask them if they think Vegas slot machines are rigged?
You put a dollar in and they let you win 80 cents and so on.
This is how PS works.
There is no way in hell Raymer knows what's going on. Those guys are clueless.
They do not play there regularly. They play there on occasion and they play high stakes only.
I guarantee you that if Greg Raymer played $5 tourneys for a month he'd say it's rigged.
Look at Matasow. He was telling people at the WSOP that PS is rigged and look at the beating he's taken there over the past 3 months.
bad beats are one thing but flush draws hitting 37% is not bad beats.
It's helping newbies and donks survive just like the Vegas slot machine helps you survive.
As those have already said, I point out again that the mysterious bad beats happen MUCH more often in low-stakes games than high stakes. I tried playing higher stakes for a while, and things were a lot more "realistic" per se than the lower-stake tables. The people here who believe the site is not rigged and criticize the people here who do don't realize that this doesn't only happen to the player themselves, but one can easily observe others who fall under the same trap. I recently played on PS just for kicks and I observed countless players get bad beat after bad beat with the same pattern: big stack goes all in with garbage, smaller stack calls with a 10:1 odds and sucks out. I felt sorry for those players.
I don't think anyone who plays low stakes are seriously competitive and use statistical programs to track their hands. Those players who are serious and play poker as a side-living play much higher stakes and utilize these programs to keep track of their hand history. With low stakes an attraction for players who play for fun and new players (and donkeys), PS can easily adjust hands to attract more new players and screw over the ones who play for the excitement or practice. No one can really say what happens behind the program. Even with all their "random generator" mumbo jumbo on their site, can you trust that completely and go on? You never looked at the code yourself.
As a final note, do let me know when you actually see a team poker stars players online. I check often just to see how the "pros" play and I have only seen 1 team pokerstars player out of 15 or something play (besides ElkY who played mad a few months ago to gain platinum plus or something membership. Even then, he never goes on anymore after he received that status).
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